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		<title>By: acline</title>
		<link>http://rhetorica.net/archives/7014.html/comment-page-1#comment-6295</link>
		<dc:creator>acline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 20:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anna... I do not. But I&#039;ll look into it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anna&#8230; I do not. But I&#8217;ll look into it.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 19:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy, re your
&gt; ...makes the argument that university schools (and programs) of journalism must become centers of media criticism

- a while back I ran across an essay (from Columbia? somehow related to, or quoting, Halberstam?) making this point; but haven&#039;t been able to find it again. Do you recall it by any chance?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy, re your<br />
&gt; &#8230;makes the argument that university schools (and programs) of journalism must become centers of media criticism</p>
<p>- a while back I ran across an essay (from Columbia? somehow related to, or quoting, Halberstam?) making this point; but haven&#8217;t been able to find it again. Do you recall it by any chance?</p>
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		<title>By: acline</title>
		<link>http://rhetorica.net/archives/7014.html/comment-page-1#comment-6237</link>
		<dc:creator>acline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 17:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike... re: rhetorical device to justify...

That&#039;s what I think. And I would answer &quot;yes&quot; to the second and third questions you pose in the penultimate paragraph.

Journalism is a remarkably un-self-reflective practice. It&#039;s true that journalists fuss over craft and, to a certain extent, ethics. But, for the most part, they accept this romantic vision of their purpose that is, to a great extent, mythology.

We need better media criticism.

An interesting (if flawed) book I&#039;m reading now -- The Big Picture: Why Democracies Need Journalistic excellence -- makes the argument that university schools (and programs) of journalism must become centers of media criticism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike&#8230; re: rhetorical device to justify&#8230;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what I think. And I would answer &#8220;yes&#8221; to the second and third questions you pose in the penultimate paragraph.</p>
<p>Journalism is a remarkably un-self-reflective practice. It&#8217;s true that journalists fuss over craft and, to a certain extent, ethics. But, for the most part, they accept this romantic vision of their purpose that is, to a great extent, mythology.</p>
<p>We need better media criticism.</p>
<p>An interesting (if flawed) book I&#8217;m reading now &#8212; The Big Picture: Why Democracies Need Journalistic excellence &#8212; makes the argument that university schools (and programs) of journalism must become centers of media criticism.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 13:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This matter of the romanticism of journalism touches on another matter.

Consider the following analysis of recent events in Mumbai, in an article at 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7753603.stm

The article concludes:

It is tempting to label the attackers as &quot;crazies&quot;. But such a dismissive appellation may be misplaced.

It is more than likely that the masterminds are seasoned operatives and that the foot-soldiers, young as they may have been, had undergone rigorous training for months, perhaps years.

The attacks also show every sign of having been designed to maximise media attention on a global scale.

In other words, there is a method to the madness.&quot;

The author of the article is not a journalist, but the allusion to use of world media as an indication of terrorists&#039; sophistication
reminds me of similar statements made, bizarrely enough, by journalists themselves. eg during the first gulf war both CNN and BBC live feeds would mention Sadam&#039;s &#039;sophisticated&#039; use of staged media events as a propaganda device.

What is the news media doing in such cases? Are they admitting they are pawns? Are they NOT admitting that the media has in many instances become an integral component of the events they claim to be reporting on as objective, uninvolved outside observers?

An important question here concerns whether allusions to a romanticized image of reporters is in fact a rhetorical device to justify (i.e., hide) the role that reporters and the media are in fact enacting in the events they report.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This matter of the romanticism of journalism touches on another matter.</p>
<p>Consider the following analysis of recent events in Mumbai, in an article at<br />
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7753603.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7753603.stm</a></p>
<p>The article concludes:</p>
<p>It is tempting to label the attackers as &#8220;crazies&#8221;. But such a dismissive appellation may be misplaced.</p>
<p>It is more than likely that the masterminds are seasoned operatives and that the foot-soldiers, young as they may have been, had undergone rigorous training for months, perhaps years.</p>
<p>The attacks also show every sign of having been designed to maximise media attention on a global scale.</p>
<p>In other words, there is a method to the madness.&#8221;</p>
<p>The author of the article is not a journalist, but the allusion to use of world media as an indication of terrorists&#8217; sophistication<br />
reminds me of similar statements made, bizarrely enough, by journalists themselves. eg during the first gulf war both CNN and BBC live feeds would mention Sadam&#8217;s &#8217;sophisticated&#8217; use of staged media events as a propaganda device.</p>
<p>What is the news media doing in such cases? Are they admitting they are pawns? Are they NOT admitting that the media has in many instances become an integral component of the events they claim to be reporting on as objective, uninvolved outside observers?</p>
<p>An important question here concerns whether allusions to a romanticized image of reporters is in fact a rhetorical device to justify (i.e., hide) the role that reporters and the media are in fact enacting in the events they report.</p>
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		<title>By: acline</title>
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		<dc:creator>acline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 04:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim. Exactly. And I bet the fit would be close. Hmmmm... something more to look into :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim. Exactly. And I bet the fit would be close. Hmmmm&#8230; something more to look into <img src='http://rhetorica.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 02:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d bet they&#039;re close. I thought the end of the article started to get to how the new noetic field changes the epistemological/structural/economic biases:&lt;blockquote&gt;... the economics of journalistic interaction are becoming vastly different to those of the past 100 years -- sources no longer need journalists in the same way. The balance of power has shifted. Journalists have no idea where best to invest their time: in blogging? Social networking? Video? Good old fashioned talking? Press releases? Twitter?&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d bet they&#8217;re close. I thought the end of the article started to get to how the new noetic field changes the epistemological/structural/economic biases:<br />
<blockquote>&#8230; the economics of journalistic interaction are becoming vastly different to those of the past 100 years &#8212; sources no longer need journalists in the same way. The balance of power has shifted. Journalists have no idea where best to invest their time: in blogging? Social networking? Video? Good old fashioned talking? Press releases? Twitter?</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: acline</title>
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		<dc:creator>acline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 00:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim... Yeah, interesting stuff. It would be cool to see how closely rational choice theory maps to the structural bias theory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim&#8230; Yeah, interesting stuff. It would be cool to see how closely rational choice theory maps to the structural bias theory.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 00:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://poynter.org/column.asp?id=31&amp;aid=154742&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Journalists are Economical&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://poynter.org/column.asp?id=31&amp;aid=154742" rel="nofollow">Journalists are Economical</a></p>
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		<title>By: acline</title>
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		<dc:creator>acline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 22:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim... I like that idea of peer responsibility. And, yes, I agree re: courage and curiosity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim&#8230; I like that idea of peer responsibility. And, yes, I agree re: courage and curiosity.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 12:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Howell that courage and curiosity are important characteristics for a journalist. I thought it was interesting to empathy on the list. Empathy plays an under-theorized role in reporting and is missing from the &lt;a href=&quot;http://rhetorica.net/bias.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;structural biases&lt;/a&gt;.

What was also interesting was some of the rhetoric and what was missing.

For example, the principle of storytelling in journalism. &quot;Good reporters are committed to telling the story.&quot; I always like to ask journalists what they mean by &quot;the&quot; &quot;story&quot; and how they &lt;a href=&quot;http://rhetorica.net/archives/006735.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;construct a narrative&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;blockquote&gt;The problem with journalism is that journalists too often create only one narrative per news event, thus they alienate those who do not see themselves in the story or, as is the case now, see themselves as empowered to construct their own narratives.&lt;/blockquote&gt;What is missing is a desire/ability to transform data/information into knowledge/understanding, unless that&#039;s implied by storytelling. Usually, reporting is described as data/information and knowledge/understanding is left to the reader.

What is also missing is the role of journalistic ethics and &lt;a href=&quot;http://w2jig.blogspot.com/2007/08/why-newspapers-arent-worth-buying.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;peer&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/11/24/a-scenario-for-news/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;responsibility&lt;/a&gt; for their craft.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Howell that courage and curiosity are important characteristics for a journalist. I thought it was interesting to empathy on the list. Empathy plays an under-theorized role in reporting and is missing from the <a href="http://rhetorica.net/bias.htm" rel="nofollow">structural biases</a>.</p>
<p>What was also interesting was some of the rhetoric and what was missing.</p>
<p>For example, the principle of storytelling in journalism. &#8220;Good reporters are committed to telling the story.&#8221; I always like to ask journalists what they mean by &#8220;the&#8221; &#8220;story&#8221; and how they <a href="http://rhetorica.net/archives/006735.html" rel="nofollow">construct a narrative</a>:<br />
<blockquote>The problem with journalism is that journalists too often create only one narrative per news event, thus they alienate those who do not see themselves in the story or, as is the case now, see themselves as empowered to construct their own narratives.</p></blockquote>
<p>What is missing is a desire/ability to transform data/information into knowledge/understanding, unless that&#8217;s implied by storytelling. Usually, reporting is described as data/information and knowledge/understanding is left to the reader.</p>
<p>What is also missing is the role of journalistic ethics and <a href="http://w2jig.blogspot.com/2007/08/why-newspapers-arent-worth-buying.html" rel="nofollow">peer</a> <a href="http://www.buzzmachine.com/2008/11/24/a-scenario-for-news/" rel="nofollow">responsibility</a> for their craft.</p>
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