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	<title>Comments on: Stranger than fiction&#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: acline</title>
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		<dc:creator>acline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2005 06:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt... So does that mean I used bad rhetoric? :-)

Well, yes.

Is 35 times too many? Would one time have signaled a better rhetorical performance? That&#039;s interesting to think about. My evaluation rests on what happened: He stopped the discourse. Could he have done it &quot;better.&quot; Depending upon what one means by that, the answer is certainly &quot;yes.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt&#8230; So does that mean I used bad rhetoric? <img src='http://rhetorica.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Well, yes.</p>
<p>Is 35 times too many? Would one time have signaled a better rhetorical performance? That&#8217;s interesting to think about. My evaluation rests on what happened: He stopped the discourse. Could he have done it &#8220;better.&#8221; Depending upon what one means by that, the answer is certainly &#8220;yes.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2005 05:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;RE: &lt;a href=&quot;http://snarkmarket.com/blog/snarkives/snarkpolitik/mums_the_word/index.html#comments&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Your Snarkmarket comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

I remain unconvinced. I can&#039;t claim to have ever taught Aristotle, but it seems to me he treats rhetoric as a tool and persuasion as an end. I would argue with the characterization of McClellan&#039;s performance yesterday as &lt;em&gt;persuasive&lt;/em&gt;. If anything, it seemed spectacularly unpersuasive. A child could read that transcript and parse the dogged avoidance in McClellan&#039;s responses.

Even taking your criterion for rhetorical success -- stopping discourse -- I think McClellan clearly failed. True, the discourse never advanced beyond a very basic point. However, it marched &lt;strong&gt;to&lt;/strong&gt; that point again, and again, and again, and again, despite all his best efforts to kill it. The press corps dealt McClellan &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/11/AR2005071101284.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;no fewer than 35 questions&lt;/a&gt; on the Rove matter, 34 questions after he made the first attempt to, as you say, stop discourse. It would seem to me that a more skillful rhetorician would have concocted responses so circuitous and devious and propagandistic that he would have silenced the questioners early on.

By McClellan&#039;s standard of stopping discourse, repeating &quot;No comment&quot; 35 times would be a stunning display of rhetoric. And I&#039;m not sure I buy that.

&lt;em&gt;Cross-posted to &lt;a href=&quot;http://snarkmarket.com/blog/snarkives/snarkpolitik/mums_the_word/index.html#comments&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Snarkmarket&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>RE: <a href="http://snarkmarket.com/blog/snarkives/snarkpolitik/mums_the_word/index.html#comments" rel="nofollow">Your Snarkmarket comment</a></em></p>
<p>I remain unconvinced. I can&#8217;t claim to have ever taught Aristotle, but it seems to me he treats rhetoric as a tool and persuasion as an end. I would argue with the characterization of McClellan&#8217;s performance yesterday as <em>persuasive</em>. If anything, it seemed spectacularly unpersuasive. A child could read that transcript and parse the dogged avoidance in McClellan&#8217;s responses.</p>
<p>Even taking your criterion for rhetorical success &#8212; stopping discourse &#8212; I think McClellan clearly failed. True, the discourse never advanced beyond a very basic point. However, it marched <strong>to</strong> that point again, and again, and again, and again, despite all his best efforts to kill it. The press corps dealt McClellan <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/11/AR2005071101284.html" rel="nofollow">no fewer than 35 questions</a> on the Rove matter, 34 questions after he made the first attempt to, as you say, stop discourse. It would seem to me that a more skillful rhetorician would have concocted responses so circuitous and devious and propagandistic that he would have silenced the questioners early on.</p>
<p>By McClellan&#8217;s standard of stopping discourse, repeating &#8220;No comment&#8221; 35 times would be a stunning display of rhetoric. And I&#8217;m not sure I buy that.</p>
<p><em>Cross-posted to <a href="http://snarkmarket.com/blog/snarkives/snarkpolitik/mums_the_word/index.html#comments" rel="nofollow">Snarkmarket</a>.</em></p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2005 01:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice blog. Keep it up. Visit me at john</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice blog. Keep it up. Visit me at john</p>
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		<title>By: Snarkmarket</title>
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		<dc:creator>Snarkmarket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Mum&#039;s the Word&lt;/strong&gt;

When I read the transcript of today&#039;s White House press briefing with Scott McClellan, I knew someone was going to pull this &quot;McClellan&#039;s a rhetorical genius&quot; bit. Nonsense. People did the same thing with Ari F., and I call...
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<p>When I read the transcript of today&#8217;s White House press briefing with Scott McClellan, I knew someone was going to pull this &#8220;McClellan&#8217;s a rhetorical genius&#8221; bit. Nonsense. People did the same thing with Ari F., and I call&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Notes from a Teacher: Mark on Media</title>
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		<dc:creator>Notes from a Teacher: Mark on Media</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2005 16:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;VISITING THE SNAKE PIT&lt;/strong&gt;

Andrew Cline at Rhetorica is always good for a brisk intellectual workout, as he parses journalism and politics through the frame of rhetoric, but today&#8217;s post is particularly rewarding.
	In it, Andrew, former journalist and now professor of tha...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>VISITING THE SNAKE PIT</strong></p>
<p>Andrew Cline at Rhetorica is always good for a brisk intellectual workout, as he parses journalism and politics through the frame of rhetoric, but today&#8217;s post is particularly rewarding.<br />
	In it, Andrew, former journalist and now professor of tha&#8230;</p>
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