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		<title>By: acline</title>
		<link>http://rhetorica.net/archives/3289.html/comment-page-1#comment-3519</link>
		<dc:creator>acline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Feb 2005 10:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: pathos

You bet!
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<p>You bet!</p>
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		<title>By: Sisyphus</title>
		<link>http://rhetorica.net/archives/3289.html/comment-page-1#comment-3518</link>
		<dc:creator>Sisyphus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Feb 2005 09:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;... why not just get at whatever it is you want to say? :-)&quot;

pathos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230; why not just get at whatever it is you want to say? <img src='http://rhetorica.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> &#8221;</p>
<p>pathos.</p>
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		<title>By: acline</title>
		<link>http://rhetorica.net/archives/3289.html/comment-page-1#comment-3517</link>
		<dc:creator>acline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2005 05:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: both parties

I&#039;m cool with that, too. Never meant to suggest otherwise.

Instead of taking the long way around the barn, why not just get at whatever it is you want to say? :-)</description>
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<p>I&#8217;m cool with that, too. Never meant to suggest otherwise.</p>
<p>Instead of taking the long way around the barn, why not just get at whatever it is you want to say? <img src='http://rhetorica.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: acline</title>
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		<dc:creator>acline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2005 05:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: knock off the SC

Well, yes. I would have conceded that instantly. I do not mean to suggest in this post that the SC is a target of the wielding. Instead, I simply made that statement to reinforce the idea that Bush is in command of great political power right now, which includes a favorable SC.

Re: Graber

I&#039;ll get back to you on that.</description>
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<p>Well, yes. I would have conceded that instantly. I do not mean to suggest in this post that the SC is a target of the wielding. Instead, I simply made that statement to reinforce the idea that Bush is in command of great political power right now, which includes a favorable SC.</p>
<p>Re: Graber</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll get back to you on that.</p>
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		<title>By: Sisyphus</title>
		<link>http://rhetorica.net/archives/3289.html/comment-page-1#comment-3515</link>
		<dc:creator>Sisyphus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2005 13:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Depends on how much difference there is between CL and SR.&quot;

At a mininum, we would need to agree on a taxonomy. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.uic.edu/depts/pols/faculty/dorisgraber.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Doris Graber&lt;/a&gt; and the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.press.uillinois.edu/pre95/0-252-72421-6.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Four Theories of the Press&lt;/a&gt; might be a place to start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Depends on how much difference there is between CL and SR.&#8221;</p>
<p>At a mininum, we would need to agree on a taxonomy. <a href="http://www.uic.edu/depts/pols/faculty/dorisgraber.html" rel="nofollow">Doris Graber</a> and the <a href="http://www.press.uillinois.edu/pre95/0-252-72421-6.html" rel="nofollow">Four Theories of the Press</a> might be a place to start.</p>
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		<title>By: Sisyphus</title>
		<link>http://rhetorica.net/archives/3289.html/comment-page-1#comment-3514</link>
		<dc:creator>Sisyphus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2005 13:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You should have said this first :-)&quot;

That would have ended the debate. My target remains &lt;i&gt;who&lt;/i&gt; is at the receiving end of the &lt;i&gt;wielding&lt;/i&gt;.

Knocking the SC off the list was the first step. Broadening it to both parties was the second. This is a wartime Executive in his final term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You should have said this first <img src='http://rhetorica.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> &#8221;</p>
<p>That would have ended the debate. My target remains <i>who</i> is at the receiving end of the <i>wielding</i>.</p>
<p>Knocking the SC off the list was the first step. Broadening it to both parties was the second. This is a wartime Executive in his final term.</p>
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		<title>By: acline</title>
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		<dc:creator>acline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2005 13:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: mix

Interesting. Depends on how much difference there is between CL and SR.</description>
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<p>Interesting. Depends on how much difference there is between CL and SR.</p>
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		<title>By: acline</title>
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		<dc:creator>acline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2005 13:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: bad kairos

Hmmmm...that makes sense to me. You should have said this first :-) I don&#039;t see it this way, but I do understand more now about why this bugged you. And I completely understand now why it appears &quot;rhetorical.&quot; It was :-) That&#039;s not to say I was pulling a fast one here. I was freely interpreting.

Re: who&#039;s the authority?

Good question. I wish I knew. I&#039;m not being flip. I mean, I could argue for me, seeing as how I have those three little letters and all. But you and I both know that&#039;s nonsense. I ask the metrics question merely to point out that my perception and experience of the SC is a certain thing--and yours is another thing, and we&#039;re not going to agree that it is ____ until we agree on a measure.

Re: structural biases

Notice I said classically Liberal, i.e. an Enlightenment ideology (and epistemology).</description>
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<p>Hmmmm&#8230;that makes sense to me. You should have said this first <img src='http://rhetorica.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  I don&#8217;t see it this way, but I do understand more now about why this bugged you. And I completely understand now why it appears &#8220;rhetorical.&#8221; It was <img src='http://rhetorica.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  That&#8217;s not to say I was pulling a fast one here. I was freely interpreting.</p>
<p>Re: who&#8217;s the authority?</p>
<p>Good question. I wish I knew. I&#8217;m not being flip. I mean, I could argue for me, seeing as how I have those three little letters and all. But you and I both know that&#8217;s nonsense. I ask the metrics question merely to point out that my perception and experience of the SC is a certain thing&#8211;and yours is another thing, and we&#8217;re not going to agree that it is ____ until we agree on a measure.</p>
<p>Re: structural biases</p>
<p>Notice I said classically Liberal, i.e. an Enlightenment ideology (and epistemology).</p>
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		<title>By: Sisyphus</title>
		<link>http://rhetorica.net/archives/3289.html/comment-page-1#comment-3511</link>
		<dc:creator>Sisyphus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2005 13:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;... structural biases spring from classically Liberal ideas.&quot;

Could it be a &lt;a href=&quot;http://sisypheanmusings.blogspot.com/2005/02/journalists-pass-social-responsibility.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;mix&lt;/a&gt; of classically liberal and &quot;social responsiblity&quot; ideas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230; structural biases spring from classically Liberal ideas.&#8221;</p>
<p>Could it be a <a href="http://sisypheanmusings.blogspot.com/2005/02/journalists-pass-social-responsibility.html" rel="nofollow">mix</a> of classically liberal and &#8220;social responsiblity&#8221; ideas?</p>
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		<title>By: Sisyphus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sisyphus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2005 13:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;ve reached an important fork here.

&quot;For this to be the case, you would have to quantify the ideology by some measure. How do you propose to do that? ... I haven&#039;t said, nor do I necessarily think, that you are wrong, i.e. I am right you are wrong in some absolute way. Now how could that be?&quot;

This sets up the classic, &quot;Who&#039;s the authority (here)?&quot; Who gets to decide the metrics? I brought in Jan Crawford&#039;s opinion. Does that &lt;i&gt;prove&lt;/i&gt; I&#039;m right and you&#039;re wrong? It does in &lt;i&gt;my&lt;/i&gt; transactional universe (where I reign King, might I add) ;-)

&quot;You will see that I clearly infer that many of these structural biases spring from classically Liberal ideas. (I ought to edit that inference into a statement.)&quot;

I&#039;ve been trying to clarify this in my mind for a while. The distinction that the political or ideological bias debate is &quot;dumb&quot;, but underpins the structural biases.

One more: bad kairos. &quot;... controls three branches&quot; was superfluous to your argument, IMHO. Ergo, my statement above about rhetorical hyperbole. He is wielding his political capital over the legislative branch - both parties. But I influence you without first &quot;attacking&quot; the party partisan view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve reached an important fork here.</p>
<p>&#8220;For this to be the case, you would have to quantify the ideology by some measure. How do you propose to do that? &#8230; I haven&#8217;t said, nor do I necessarily think, that you are wrong, i.e. I am right you are wrong in some absolute way. Now how could that be?&#8221;</p>
<p>This sets up the classic, &#8220;Who&#8217;s the authority (here)?&#8221; Who gets to decide the metrics? I brought in Jan Crawford&#8217;s opinion. Does that <i>prove</i> I&#8217;m right and you&#8217;re wrong? It does in <i>my</i> transactional universe (where I reign King, might I add) <img src='http://rhetorica.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>&#8220;You will see that I clearly infer that many of these structural biases spring from classically Liberal ideas. (I ought to edit that inference into a statement.)&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been trying to clarify this in my mind for a while. The distinction that the political or ideological bias debate is &#8220;dumb&#8221;, but underpins the structural biases.</p>
<p>One more: bad kairos. &#8220;&#8230; controls three branches&#8221; was superfluous to your argument, IMHO. Ergo, my statement above about rhetorical hyperbole. He is wielding his political capital over the legislative branch &#8211; both parties. But I influence you without first &#8220;attacking&#8221; the party partisan view.</p>
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