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		<title>By: acline</title>
		<link>http://rhetorica.net/archives/3280.html/comment-page-1#comment-3496</link>
		<dc:creator>acline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Feb 2005 11:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One reason there are no consequences is that far too many in the press don&#039;t think such statements are errors. They have become master narratives and, therefore, are &quot;true.&quot;

I learned first-hand about how stubborn journalists can be when they get locked into a master narrative. I once demonstrated to a reporter from the KC Star exactly how the press was getting it all wrong about a local story that made national news (including 60 Minutes--the Piper H.S. plagiarism case). I had real data. Not opinion. She interviewed me for more than an hour. Not one word or one idea of mine every showed up in print. My narrative did not fit with what &quot;everyone&quot; had accepted as true. 60 Minutes wouldn&#039;t return my calls (not at all surprising--my narrative was not as dramatic).

The only people who can stop this are editors who care enough to look past the master narratives and conventional wisdom. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One reason there are no consequences is that far too many in the press don&#8217;t think such statements are errors. They have become master narratives and, therefore, are &#8220;true.&#8221;</p>
<p>I learned first-hand about how stubborn journalists can be when they get locked into a master narrative. I once demonstrated to a reporter from the KC Star exactly how the press was getting it all wrong about a local story that made national news (including 60 Minutes&#8211;the Piper H.S. plagiarism case). I had real data. Not opinion. She interviewed me for more than an hour. Not one word or one idea of mine every showed up in print. My narrative did not fit with what &#8220;everyone&#8221; had accepted as true. 60 Minutes wouldn&#8217;t return my calls (not at all surprising&#8211;my narrative was not as dramatic).</p>
<p>The only people who can stop this are editors who care enough to look past the master narratives and conventional wisdom.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
		<link>http://rhetorica.net/archives/3280.html/comment-page-1#comment-3495</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Feb 2005 11:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What consequences should there be for repeating long-dead &quot;al gore invented the internet&quot; - type &#039;facts&#039;?  (if there are no consequences, there will be no change)

We need to come up with something equivalent to writing &quot;[I will not say X since it is untrue]&quot; on the blackboard 100 times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What consequences should there be for repeating long-dead &#8220;al gore invented the internet&#8221; &#8211; type &#8216;facts&#8217;?  (if there are no consequences, there will be no change)</p>
<p>We need to come up with something equivalent to writing &#8220;[I will not say X since it is untrue]&#8221; on the blackboard 100 times.</p>
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		<title>By: acline</title>
		<link>http://rhetorica.net/archives/3280.html/comment-page-1#comment-3494</link>
		<dc:creator>acline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Feb 2005 21:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>S- I will give this layers idea serious consideration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>S- I will give this layers idea serious consideration.</p>
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		<title>By: Sisyphus</title>
		<link>http://rhetorica.net/archives/3280.html/comment-page-1#comment-3493</link>
		<dc:creator>Sisyphus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Feb 2005 20:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.buzzmachine.com/archives/2005_02_04.html#009007&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jeff Jarvis&lt;/a&gt;: &quot;Alterman said that from mainstream media, he can&#039;t get the view from the ground in Iraq and perspective he is looking for and so &quot;one place I go for that on Iraq more than anywhere else is a blog by a professor by the name of Juan Cole.&quot; Note that Alterman now says he has never read Iraqi blogs. Note also that it was Cole who first spread the tin-hat speculation about the CIA and Iraqi blogs. Note finally that this appearance comes after The New York Times also spread this tin-hat speculation.&quot;

Talking about the genie.

I think layers are a great way to gain perspective into both the psychological aspect of journalism, as well as the institutional and constraints imposed by the medium chosen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.buzzmachine.com/archives/2005_02_04.html#009007" rel="nofollow">Jeff Jarvis</a>: &#8220;Alterman said that from mainstream media, he can&#8217;t get the view from the ground in Iraq and perspective he is looking for and so &#8220;one place I go for that on Iraq more than anywhere else is a blog by a professor by the name of Juan Cole.&#8221; Note that Alterman now says he has never read Iraqi blogs. Note also that it was Cole who first spread the tin-hat speculation about the CIA and Iraqi blogs. Note finally that this appearance comes after The New York Times also spread this tin-hat speculation.&#8221;</p>
<p>Talking about the genie.</p>
<p>I think layers are a great way to gain perspective into both the psychological aspect of journalism, as well as the institutional and constraints imposed by the medium chosen.</p>
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		<title>By: acline</title>
		<link>http://rhetorica.net/archives/3280.html/comment-page-1#comment-3492</link>
		<dc:creator>acline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Feb 2005 12:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>S- Man, I don&#039;t have all the answers. It&#039;s absolutely no big deal to disagree with an egghead  :-)

Re: layers  Yes, interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>S- Man, I don&#8217;t have all the answers. It&#8217;s absolutely no big deal to disagree with an egghead  <img src='http://rhetorica.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Re: layers  Yes, interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Sisyphus</title>
		<link>http://rhetorica.net/archives/3280.html/comment-page-1#comment-3491</link>
		<dc:creator>Sisyphus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Feb 2005 09:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I&#039;d hate to disagree with a former journalist and professor of rhetoric, but ... oh, ok, I love disagree with you (;-), I learn more that way.

I am still advocating thinking in &lt;a href=&quot;http://sisypheanmusings.blogspot.com/2005/01/kairos-and-message-control-reply-to-dr.html#KairosMsgControl2bm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;layers&lt;/a&gt;. I think the &quot;schema&quot; would be a great way to differentiate between, perhaps, schema at the lowest layer, biases at the middle layer and frames at the top, or presentation layer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;d hate to disagree with a former journalist and professor of rhetoric, but &#8230; oh, ok, I love disagree with you (;-), I learn more that way.</p>
<p>I am still advocating thinking in <a href="http://sisypheanmusings.blogspot.com/2005/01/kairos-and-message-control-reply-to-dr.html#KairosMsgControl2bm" rel="nofollow">layers</a>. I think the &#8220;schema&#8221; would be a great way to differentiate between, perhaps, schema at the lowest layer, biases at the middle layer and frames at the top, or presentation layer.</p>
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		<title>By: acline</title>
		<link>http://rhetorica.net/archives/3280.html/comment-page-1#comment-3490</link>
		<dc:creator>acline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Feb 2005 14:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>R- Yes, that would be another example.

Re: class and loyalty bias

Perhaps. It certainly includes the other nine. In fact, I could refer to them as schemas rather than biases. That might even be more correct than the more typical &quot;frames.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>R- Yes, that would be another example.</p>
<p>Re: class and loyalty bias</p>
<p>Perhaps. It certainly includes the other nine. In fact, I could refer to them as schemas rather than biases. That might even be more correct than the more typical &#8220;frames.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Sisyphus</title>
		<link>http://rhetorica.net/archives/3280.html/comment-page-1#comment-3489</link>
		<dc:creator>Sisyphus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Feb 2005 13:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh.

&quot;professional socialization and professional schemas&quot;

Would that include a class and loyalty bias?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh.</p>
<p>&#8220;professional socialization and professional schemas&#8221;</p>
<p>Would that include a class and loyalty bias?</p>
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		<title>By: rgrafton</title>
		<link>http://rhetorica.net/archives/3280.html/comment-page-1#comment-3488</link>
		<dc:creator>rgrafton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Feb 2005 12:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw one of these weird &quot;mental models&quot; form last year in the NYTimes, and I have never looked at the Times or any MSM the same since. This had to do with F9/11. Before it came out, Michael Moore&#039;s publicist announced that Disney (or some subsidiary, I can&#039;t keep all the media inbreeding straight!) refused to distributed F9/11 because Jeb Bush had put pressure on Disney because Disneyworld is located in FL and F9/11 was critical of his brother. Of course, both Bush and Disney denied it, and Disney said it never had a distribution deal with Moore for F9/11. Of course, this tied into the two great boogymen for NYTimes, eeeeevil corporations and the Bush family, so they ran with it, even the though the source was Moore&#039;s publicist. This meme was repeated over and over again every time an article about F9/11 appeared in NYTimes. After a while, Michael Moore admitted he just made it all up in order to generate publicity to get a distributor for his movie so he could enter it at  Cannes. The Times reporter (can&#039;t rememer who) said, Ho!Ho! Michael, you pulled a fast one on us and we fell for it. But the very next time this reporter wrote about F9/11 he repeated the lie that Jeb Bush/Disney had tried to suppress distribution for 9/11. I haven&#039;t believed anything I&#039;ve seen in NYTimes since.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw one of these weird &#8220;mental models&#8221; form last year in the NYTimes, and I have never looked at the Times or any MSM the same since. This had to do with F9/11. Before it came out, Michael Moore&#8217;s publicist announced that Disney (or some subsidiary, I can&#8217;t keep all the media inbreeding straight!) refused to distributed F9/11 because Jeb Bush had put pressure on Disney because Disneyworld is located in FL and F9/11 was critical of his brother. Of course, both Bush and Disney denied it, and Disney said it never had a distribution deal with Moore for F9/11. Of course, this tied into the two great boogymen for NYTimes, eeeeevil corporations and the Bush family, so they ran with it, even the though the source was Moore&#8217;s publicist. This meme was repeated over and over again every time an article about F9/11 appeared in NYTimes. After a while, Michael Moore admitted he just made it all up in order to generate publicity to get a distributor for his movie so he could enter it at  Cannes. The Times reporter (can&#8217;t rememer who) said, Ho!Ho! Michael, you pulled a fast one on us and we fell for it. But the very next time this reporter wrote about F9/11 he repeated the lie that Jeb Bush/Disney had tried to suppress distribution for 9/11. I haven&#8217;t believed anything I&#8217;ve seen in NYTimes since.</p>
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		<title>By: acline</title>
		<link>http://rhetorica.net/archives/3280.html/comment-page-1#comment-3487</link>
		<dc:creator>acline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Feb 2005 11:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>S- This isn&#039;t much of a revelation, but I find it amusing the reporter didn&#039;t pick up on it :-) This reminds me that I must add something about professional socialization and professional schemas to my media/political bias page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>S- This isn&#8217;t much of a revelation, but I find it amusing the reporter didn&#8217;t pick up on it <img src='http://rhetorica.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  This reminds me that I must add something about professional socialization and professional schemas to my media/political bias page.</p>
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