Comments on: Jon Stewart, civic hero, part 2… http://rhetorica.net/archives/2736.html Fri, 03 Feb 2012 05:01:36 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: John Nowicki http://rhetorica.net/archives/2736.html/comment-page-1#comment-2887 John Nowicki Wed, 20 Oct 2004 20:26:39 +0000 http://localhost/wpp3/?p=2736#comment-2887 RH: Actually, he has done exactly what you say. Ted Koppel had a taped segment on Nightline with him where he took a number of shots as well. He forced Koppel into an awkward discussion of "facts vs truth" as a very weak defense. BTW - One thing I do notice. Has anyone ever considered for one second that the reason for all the "Bush Bashing" is that he deserves it? Empirically, the man has screwed the pooch all over the place. RH:

Actually, he has done exactly what you say. Ted Koppel had a taped segment on Nightline with him where he took a number of shots as well. He forced Koppel into an awkward discussion of “facts vs truth” as a very weak defense.

BTW – One thing I do notice. Has anyone ever considered for one second that the reason for all the “Bush Bashing” is that he deserves it? Empirically, the man has screwed the pooch all over the place.

]]> By: The Dead Parrot Society http://rhetorica.net/archives/2736.html/comment-page-1#comment-2889 The Dead Parrot Society Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:10:27 +0000 http://localhost/wpp3/?p=2736#comment-2889 <strong>Passing it around</strong> Do regular journalists really ignore all the media criticism going on these days? Well, I'm just an anecdote, to be sure, but I'm watching the Jon Stewart video clip spread like a virus through my newsroom. And I suspect that's going on in a lot of new... Passing it around

Do regular journalists really ignore all the media criticism going on these days? Well, I’m just an anecdote, to be sure, but I’m watching the Jon Stewart video clip spread like a virus through my newsroom. And I suspect that’s going on in a lot of new…

]]> By: Resident Harriden http://rhetorica.net/archives/2736.html/comment-page-1#comment-2886 Resident Harriden Tue, 19 Oct 2004 08:44:07 +0000 http://localhost/wpp3/?p=2736#comment-2886 I take your point that TV should be watched and not read! I take your point that TV should be watched and not read!

]]> By: acline http://rhetorica.net/archives/2736.html/comment-page-1#comment-2885 acline Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:49:43 +0000 http://localhost/wpp3/?p=2736#comment-2885 Let me suggest that you need to go watch the show with someone who has cable. Don't take my word for it...or those cetner-right bloggers. Let me suggest that you need to go watch the show with someone who has cable. Don’t take my word for it…or those cetner-right bloggers.

]]> By: Resident Harriden http://rhetorica.net/archives/2736.html/comment-page-1#comment-2884 Resident Harriden Mon, 18 Oct 2004 10:06:42 +0000 http://localhost/wpp3/?p=2736#comment-2884 Sorry, Doc, but what I'm reading on Center-Right blogs doesn't confirm your view that The Daily Show is bipartisan. In fact many said they stopped watching when it became obvious that Stewart was just another lefty Bush-bashing comic like Al Franken or Whoopi Goldberg. As I've said, I don't have a personal opinion about this, but this is what I have read. I still contend that if Stewart is really a "hero" he will have to slay bigger dragons than Crossfire. Maybe the left is just easily impressed. Sorry, Doc, but what I’m reading on Center-Right blogs doesn’t confirm your view that The Daily Show is bipartisan. In fact many said they stopped watching when it became obvious that Stewart was just another lefty Bush-bashing comic like Al Franken or Whoopi Goldberg. As I’ve said, I don’t have a personal opinion about this, but this is what I have read. I still contend that if Stewart is really a “hero” he will have to slay bigger dragons than Crossfire. Maybe the left is just easily impressed.

]]> By: acline http://rhetorica.net/archives/2736.html/comment-page-1#comment-2883 acline Mon, 18 Oct 2004 09:46:20 +0000 http://localhost/wpp3/?p=2736#comment-2883 RH- While it is no secret that The Daily Show generally approaches things from the left, the show does come down hard on everyone (not necessarily in Stewart's "interviews"). And I would not have called it the best media critique on TV if it didn't give it just as hard to the networks. I called Stewart a civic hero based on the quality of his critique. RH- While it is no secret that The Daily Show generally approaches things from the left, the show does come down hard on everyone (not necessarily in Stewart’s “interviews”). And I would not have called it the best media critique on TV if it didn’t give it just as hard to the networks. I called Stewart a civic hero based on the quality of his critique.

]]> By: Resident Harriden http://rhetorica.net/archives/2736.html/comment-page-1#comment-2882 Resident Harriden Mon, 18 Oct 2004 09:34:39 +0000 http://localhost/wpp3/?p=2736#comment-2882 Let me say up front that I don't have cable and I have never seen The Daily Show or Crossfire, so all I know about this is from the internet. The thing that surprised me is that admiration for Jon Stewart fell along partisan lines. I was under the impression that he was a bipartisan political basher - that is obviously no longer true. I would have thought that since both the left and the right ( as well as the center) hate the media that all would have shouted loud hosannahs to Stewart. From my POV, calling Stewart a "hero" is a little overstated. My guess is that Stewart has a larger viewship than Crossfire (though CNN is not to be trifled with). This seems like the classic case of Bully Stewart kicking sand in the face of weakling Crossfire (did you notice how Carlson got most of the poop and not Begala?). If Stewart is truly a "hero" he should denounce the people who count in MSM (not Crossfire), which is Rather, Brokaw, Jennings, Koppel, etc. If he does that, he'll be a "hero" to me - if not he's just another media bully. Let me say up front that I don’t have cable and I have never seen The Daily Show or Crossfire, so all I know about this is from the internet. The thing that surprised me is that admiration for Jon Stewart fell along partisan lines. I was under the impression that he was a bipartisan political basher – that is obviously no longer true. I would have thought that since both the left and the right ( as well as the center) hate the media that all would have shouted loud hosannahs to Stewart. From my POV, calling Stewart a “hero” is a little overstated. My guess is that Stewart has a larger viewship than Crossfire (though CNN is not to be trifled with). This seems like the classic case of Bully Stewart kicking sand in the face of weakling Crossfire (did you notice how Carlson got most of the poop and not Begala?). If Stewart is truly a “hero” he should denounce the people who count in MSM (not Crossfire), which is Rather, Brokaw, Jennings, Koppel, etc. If he does that, he’ll be a “hero” to me – if not he’s just another media bully.

]]> By: coldworld.net http://rhetorica.net/archives/2736.html/comment-page-1#comment-2888 coldworld.net Mon, 18 Oct 2004 08:44:02 +0000 http://localhost/wpp3/?p=2736#comment-2888 <strong>the modern specialized theory of life on the Internet - and why jon stewart is cool</strong> its finally here. the governing force of life on the net. you see this every day. hell, you see this on coldworld.net! read more about it here. some would say this explains Jon Stewart's calling Tucker Carlson a DICK on... the modern specialized theory of life on the Internet – and why jon stewart is cool

its finally here. the governing force of life on the net. you see this every day. hell, you see this on coldworld.net! read more about it here. some would say this explains Jon Stewart’s calling Tucker Carlson a DICK on…

]]> By: Sven http://rhetorica.net/archives/2736.html/comment-page-1#comment-2881 Sven Mon, 18 Oct 2004 08:35:09 +0000 http://localhost/wpp3/?p=2736#comment-2881 Here's an <a href="http://blog.evankai.com/archives/000502.php" rel="nofollow">interesting tidbit</a>: there are probably more people who've downloaded the Stewart clip than watch Crossfire. Audiences seek entertainment, indeed. Here’s an interesting tidbit: there are probably more people who’ve downloaded the Stewart clip than watch Crossfire.

Audiences seek entertainment, indeed.

]]> By: Sven http://rhetorica.net/archives/2736.html/comment-page-1#comment-2880 Sven Mon, 18 Oct 2004 06:00:29 +0000 http://localhost/wpp3/?p=2736#comment-2880 Crossfire is an obvious example of the vacuity of television politico-news programs. But shows can be horrible even without partisan ranting. Gwen Ifill's banal Washington Week, in which reporters politely bat conventional Beltway wisdom around the table, comes to mind. It's a vast, vast wasteland. Crossfire is an obvious example of the vacuity of television politico-news programs. But shows can be horrible even without partisan ranting. Gwen Ifill’s banal Washington Week, in which reporters politely bat conventional Beltway wisdom around the table, comes to mind.

It’s a vast, vast wasteland.

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