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	<title>Comments on: Can&#8217;t argue with moving images&#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Oct 2004 13:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.buzzmachine.com/archives/2004_10_16.html#008207&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Keeping media and government apart&lt;/a&gt;

Maybe fodder for another Cline contemplative composition?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.buzzmachine.com/archives/2004_10_16.html#008207" rel="nofollow">Keeping media and government apart</a></p>
<p>Maybe fodder for another Cline contemplative composition?</p>
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		<title>By: cj</title>
		<link>http://rhetorica.net/archives/2712.html/comment-page-1#comment-2843</link>
		<dc:creator>cj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2004 21:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the issue is the use of &quot;public&quot; airwaves -- i.e., ostensibly, the airwaves are owned by the public, regulated by the FCC, and that broadcasters hold their license, in part, to &quot;serve the public good.&quot;

That&#039;s why I called for the public to demand an FCC investigation of CBS -- using their &quot;news organ&quot; on a public (utility) airwave to broadcast what appeared to be propaganda (Memogate and Draftgate) designed to influence a presidential election.  I think the same holds true for Sinclair Broadcasting.

I think it as worthy of FCC investigation as the Wardrobe Malfunction. And I think it would &#039;serve the public&#039; to spark a discussion of propaganda, and the management of a public utility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the issue is the use of &#8220;public&#8221; airwaves &#8212; i.e., ostensibly, the airwaves are owned by the public, regulated by the FCC, and that broadcasters hold their license, in part, to &#8220;serve the public good.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why I called for the public to demand an FCC investigation of CBS &#8212; using their &#8220;news organ&#8221; on a public (utility) airwave to broadcast what appeared to be propaganda (Memogate and Draftgate) designed to influence a presidential election.  I think the same holds true for Sinclair Broadcasting.</p>
<p>I think it as worthy of FCC investigation as the Wardrobe Malfunction. And I think it would &#8216;serve the public&#8217; to spark a discussion of propaganda, and the management of a public utility.</p>
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		<title>By: acline</title>
		<link>http://rhetorica.net/archives/2712.html/comment-page-1#comment-2842</link>
		<dc:creator>acline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bryan... I believe those quotes need to be there for Michael Moore&#039;s work, too. The quotes merely indicate the &quot;documentary&quot; is not the correct noun and is used ironically.

Tom... re: bringing the web into it

This is happening. I think transparency is exactly one of the benefits of this new medium.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bryan&#8230; I believe those quotes need to be there for Michael Moore&#8217;s work, too. The quotes merely indicate the &#8220;documentary&#8221; is not the correct noun and is used ironically.</p>
<p>Tom&#8230; re: bringing the web into it</p>
<p>This is happening. I think transparency is exactly one of the benefits of this new medium.</p>
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		<title>By: bryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I particularly like the use of the Reuters-esque scare quotes around &quot;documentary.&quot; I suppose that&#039;s the same as &quot;documentary&quot; filmmaker michael moore.

But how is this different from Dan Rather&#039;s rather obvious hatchet job on President Bush?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I particularly like the use of the Reuters-esque scare quotes around &#8220;documentary.&#8221; I suppose that&#8217;s the same as &#8220;documentary&#8221; filmmaker michael moore.</p>
<p>But how is this different from Dan Rather&#8217;s rather obvious hatchet job on President Bush?</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Cline,

I wonder how much it really matters to the public today, or especially tomorrow, that a broadcaster (or broadcast TV producer) decides to air content that is also readily available on the web; as many political ads and documentaries already are. Today, the issue simply seems to be quantitative audience and left over qualms of the defunct Fairness Doctrine.

Is there a distinction anymore between broadcast, cable, satellite, fiber ... which are all transport for a myriad of content? Public shmublic. Everything goes through the spectrum somewhere. Bundled content is transmitted. Only broadcasters are scrutinized.

In fact, if we consider progress being net savvy, linking, and a greater transparency of the process/reasoning, then why wouldn&#039;t other media attempt to incorporate and replicate web content as well?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Cline,</p>
<p>I wonder how much it really matters to the public today, or especially tomorrow, that a broadcaster (or broadcast TV producer) decides to air content that is also readily available on the web; as many political ads and documentaries already are. Today, the issue simply seems to be quantitative audience and left over qualms of the defunct Fairness Doctrine.</p>
<p>Is there a distinction anymore between broadcast, cable, satellite, fiber &#8230; which are all transport for a myriad of content? Public shmublic. Everything goes through the spectrum somewhere. Bundled content is transmitted. Only broadcasters are scrutinized.</p>
<p>In fact, if we consider progress being net savvy, linking, and a greater transparency of the process/reasoning, then why wouldn&#8217;t other media attempt to incorporate and replicate web content as well?</p>
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		<title>By: acline</title>
		<link>http://rhetorica.net/archives/2712.html/comment-page-1#comment-2839</link>
		<dc:creator>acline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim... Overt bias on the public airwaves concerns me--whether it&#039;s Sinclair or PBS. Overt bias as practised by private companies using private resources concerns me not at all, largely because I think it is uninteresting and nowhere near as important to understanding journalistic behavior as the structural biases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim&#8230; Overt bias on the public airwaves concerns me&#8211;whether it&#8217;s Sinclair or PBS. Overt bias as practised by private companies using private resources concerns me not at all, largely because I think it is uninteresting and nowhere near as important to understanding journalistic behavior as the structural biases.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://rhetorica.net/archives/2712.html/comment-page-1#comment-2838</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;If they allow him to stop the documentary and comment as it plays, I&#039;d say this would be fair. But as it is, the relentless temporal nature of television ensures that it&#039;s not possible to counter assumptions, premises, and assertions before they become accepted as part of a larger argument.&lt;/i&gt;

This has been the complaint, nearly word for word, against gotcha! news magazines like &lt;i&gt;60 Minutes&lt;/i&gt; and many other formats that label themselves news or investigative journalism on TV.

&lt;i&gt;I have the impression that most bias crusaders are conservative ideologues rooting out liberal bias. So I suppose this bias is A-OK.&lt;/i&gt;

No, but it is interesting to watch &lt;a href=&quot;http://rhetorica.net/archives/002707.html#002707&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;liberal ideologues&lt;/a&gt; suddenly become sensitive to political bias in broadcast media with the recent rise of conservative radio and TV.

I would also point out for anyone to dispute that political ideology has been a long debated (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.corante.com/importance/archives/026527.php#14420&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;nearly 70 years&lt;/a&gt;) topic with many self-proclaimed victims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>If they allow him to stop the documentary and comment as it plays, I&#8217;d say this would be fair. But as it is, the relentless temporal nature of television ensures that it&#8217;s not possible to counter assumptions, premises, and assertions before they become accepted as part of a larger argument.</i></p>
<p>This has been the complaint, nearly word for word, against gotcha! news magazines like <i>60 Minutes</i> and many other formats that label themselves news or investigative journalism on TV.</p>
<p><i>I have the impression that most bias crusaders are conservative ideologues rooting out liberal bias. So I suppose this bias is A-OK.</i></p>
<p>No, but it is interesting to watch <a href="http://rhetorica.net/archives/002707.html#002707" rel="nofollow">liberal ideologues</a> suddenly become sensitive to political bias in broadcast media with the recent rise of conservative radio and TV.</p>
<p>I would also point out for anyone to dispute that political ideology has been a long debated (<a href="http://www.corante.com/importance/archives/026527.php#14420" rel="nofollow">nearly 70 years</a>) topic with many self-proclaimed victims.</p>
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		<title>By: Resident Harriden</title>
		<link>http://rhetorica.net/archives/2712.html/comment-page-1#comment-2837</link>
		<dc:creator>Resident Harriden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just when I thought my opinion on this was too weird, lo and behold, some lefty blogger sums it up nicely for me. A Mr. Vaidhyanathan, guest-blogging for Eric Alterman, says Sinclair should go for it, that we need less government control, not more, and what we really need on our airwaves is a more &quot;serious, bold politically engaged set of political voices&quot; because &quot;(r)ight now we have boring, spineless media.&quot; This is exactly right ---- for too long the battle cry has been &quot;but that&#039;s how it&#039;s always been done&quot;. No time like the present to shake up the stasis in the press/media. Thanks Mr. V! &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.msnbc.com/Default.aspx?id=3449870&amp;p1=0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.msnbc.com/Default.aspx?id=3449870&amp;p1=0&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just when I thought my opinion on this was too weird, lo and behold, some lefty blogger sums it up nicely for me. A Mr. Vaidhyanathan, guest-blogging for Eric Alterman, says Sinclair should go for it, that we need less government control, not more, and what we really need on our airwaves is a more &#8220;serious, bold politically engaged set of political voices&#8221; because &#8220;(r)ight now we have boring, spineless media.&#8221; This is exactly right &#8212;- for too long the battle cry has been &#8220;but that&#8217;s how it&#8217;s always been done&#8221;. No time like the present to shake up the stasis in the press/media. Thanks Mr. V! <a href="http://www.msnbc.com/Default.aspx?id=3449870&#038;p1=0" rel="nofollow">http://www.msnbc.com/Default.aspx?id=3449870&#038;p1=0</a></p>
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