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	<title>Comments on: : Booming pop-guns&#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: acline</title>
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		<dc:creator>acline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I&#039;ve seen a few specific references to Mayer. The press doesn&#039;t seem to want to face what the data clearly show.

I don&#039;t dismiss pathos. It is, among the three major appeals, by far the strongest and, in that regard, the most important. But that doesn&#039;t mean I have to accept that appeal as the most effective in all rhetorical situations. It&#039;s employment is a kairotic choice that may be judged as effective or not as the case may be. In this case, I&#039;m going with &quot;not&quot; :-)

The press master narrative of an angry, leftist Dean is out of whack, in my opinion (but, then, most of their narratives about the candidates--even Bush--are out of whack). While he certainly gets some mileage out of &quot;anger&quot; (nothing new in campaign politics), his record on the trail seems to me just as centrist as his record as governor. I think many pundits want to pigeon-hole his war stance as leftist--indeed any opposition as leftist, which I consider merely pejorative nonsense.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I&#8217;ve seen a few specific references to Mayer. The press doesn&#8217;t seem to want to face what the data clearly show.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t dismiss pathos. It is, among the three major appeals, by far the strongest and, in that regard, the most important. But that doesn&#8217;t mean I have to accept that appeal as the most effective in all rhetorical situations. It&#8217;s employment is a kairotic choice that may be judged as effective or not as the case may be. In this case, I&#8217;m going with &#8220;not&#8221; <img src='http://rhetorica.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The press master narrative of an angry, leftist Dean is out of whack, in my opinion (but, then, most of their narratives about the candidates&#8211;even Bush&#8211;are out of whack). While he certainly gets some mileage out of &#8220;anger&#8221; (nothing new in campaign politics), his record on the trail seems to me just as centrist as his record as governor. I think many pundits want to pigeon-hole his war stance as leftist&#8211;indeed any opposition as leftist, which I consider merely pejorative nonsense.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve noticed that several pundits have identified the Mayer predictive model, if not by name, at least by effect. None seem too pleased. But I do have a problem with your dismissal of pathos - I agree more closely with something I read in WSJ the other day - that politics is a mass-market phenomenon - short on ideas and high on emotion.  Howard Dean rose to prominence with emotion - anger, and that is what sustains him.  He has backed away from his moderate record as governor in favor of an Angry Left Agenda. I don&#039;t think you should be so quick to dismiss emotion in the equation of this election cycle politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve noticed that several pundits have identified the Mayer predictive model, if not by name, at least by effect. None seem too pleased. But I do have a problem with your dismissal of pathos &#8211; I agree more closely with something I read in WSJ the other day &#8211; that politics is a mass-market phenomenon &#8211; short on ideas and high on emotion.  Howard Dean rose to prominence with emotion &#8211; anger, and that is what sustains him.  He has backed away from his moderate record as governor in favor of an Angry Left Agenda. I don&#8217;t think you should be so quick to dismiss emotion in the equation of this election cycle politics.</p>
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