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		<title>By: Public Opinion</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2003 01:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;woud you trust a journalist?&lt;/strong&gt;

I have come across this story about journalism by Michael D&#039;Antonio courtesy of Rhetorica. It starts by saying that journalists
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<p>I have come across this story about journalism by Michael D&#8217;Antonio courtesy of Rhetorica. It starts by saying that journalists</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
		<link>http://rhetorica.net/archives/1429.html/comment-page-1#comment-1173</link>
		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JSteele, if you are looking for prognostication, you have asked the wrong person - I couldn&#039;t guess a riddle if my life depended on it!  But according the James Fallows article cited above, he thinks media will revert to what it was before the late 1800s- that is, more openly partisan, in the European mode.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JSteele, if you are looking for prognostication, you have asked the wrong person &#8211; I couldn&#8217;t guess a riddle if my life depended on it!  But according the James Fallows article cited above, he thinks media will revert to what it was before the late 1800s- that is, more openly partisan, in the European mode.</p>
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		<title>By: Creative Slips</title>
		<link>http://rhetorica.net/archives/1429.html/comment-page-1#comment-1175</link>
		<dc:creator>Creative Slips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2003 06:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Carnival of the Vanities #49&lt;/strong&gt;

Greetings, ladies and gentlemen </description>
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<p>Greetings, ladies and gentlemen</p>
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		<title>By: Creative Slips</title>
		<link>http://rhetorica.net/archives/1429.html/comment-page-1#comment-1174</link>
		<dc:creator>Creative Slips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2003 05:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Carnival of the Vanities #49&lt;/strong&gt;

Greetings, ladies and gentlemen </description>
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<p>Greetings, ladies and gentlemen</p>
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		<title>By: JSteele</title>
		<link>http://rhetorica.net/archives/1429.html/comment-page-1#comment-1172</link>
		<dc:creator>JSteele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2003 15:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could it be that the activist journo&#039;s lose their self-imposed mandate once they realize it&#039;s the editors and owners who determine the story?

I&#039;ve known a few journalists, and while I agree they are all a bit activist and have an elitist view of &lt;i&gt;themselves&lt;/i&gt;, they are all definitely working class folks.

I haven&#039;t been a &quot;newshound&quot; for long, do y&#039;all think the decline a cyclical thing, or are we on a one-way street?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could it be that the activist journo&#8217;s lose their self-imposed mandate once they realize it&#8217;s the editors and owners who determine the story?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve known a few journalists, and while I agree they are all a bit activist and have an elitist view of <i>themselves</i>, they are all definitely working class folks.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t been a &#8220;newshound&#8221; for long, do y&#8217;all think the decline a cyclical thing, or are we on a one-way street?</p>
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		<title>By: acline</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2003 13:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For more on this decline, I suggest James Fallows&#039; book &quot;Breaking the News.&quot;

Journalism was once a working class job. It still was to a limited extent when I went to college with the intention to become a journalist. I think the &quot;activist&quot; angle you mention is accurate to a certain extent--although I don&#039;t think this has quite the nefarious effect (or intention) some people might ascribe to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For more on this decline, I suggest James Fallows&#8217; book &#8220;Breaking the News.&#8221;</p>
<p>Journalism was once a working class job. It still was to a limited extent when I went to college with the intention to become a journalist. I think the &#8220;activist&#8221; angle you mention is accurate to a certain extent&#8211;although I don&#8217;t think this has quite the nefarious effect (or intention) some people might ascribe to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2003 11:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This essay only scratches the surface of the problem the public has with journalism.  There has been much &quot;buzz&quot; about this lately, no doubt brought on by the Pew survey.  The idea that the media is not elitist is bogus - how many journos come from less than middle-class backgrounds?  As one wag put it, the closest most reporters get to poverty and oppression is a PBS whinefest.  &quot;Some say&quot; (can&#039;t remember where I saw this) that those going into journalism are the sorts who want to &quot;change the world&quot; and are activists. These people are not interested in stories that &quot;strive for accuracy and fairness&quot;, or the &quot;process of objectivity&quot;.  My current problem with journos is the &quot;unnnamed source&quot; bit, but since I&#039;ve been a newshound since the &#039;60&#039;s, I have to say that TV news started falling down in the 80&#039;s(at least that is when I first noticed) when anchors/reporters starting attributing &quot;motive&quot; and other unknowables  to those in the news.  The absolute nadir, IMO, was the Clinton/Lewinsky debacle - I stopped watching TV national news then (l998) and never looked back---not that print media is much better.  The Atlantic Monthly has an article in it&#039;s current edition by James Fallows about all this (and other things) where he states:&quot;...TV news changed again, starting in the l970s, through the efforts of, among others, Roone Arledge, of ABC, who made news profitable; Ted Turner, of CNN, who made the news cycle continuous; and Larry King and Gerald Rivera, who merged news and entertainment.&quot;  The decline of public trust in media has been a long, slippery slope, and I really don&#039;t see a quick fix.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This essay only scratches the surface of the problem the public has with journalism.  There has been much &#8220;buzz&#8221; about this lately, no doubt brought on by the Pew survey.  The idea that the media is not elitist is bogus &#8211; how many journos come from less than middle-class backgrounds?  As one wag put it, the closest most reporters get to poverty and oppression is a PBS whinefest.  &#8220;Some say&#8221; (can&#8217;t remember where I saw this) that those going into journalism are the sorts who want to &#8220;change the world&#8221; and are activists. These people are not interested in stories that &#8220;strive for accuracy and fairness&#8221;, or the &#8220;process of objectivity&#8221;.  My current problem with journos is the &#8220;unnnamed source&#8221; bit, but since I&#8217;ve been a newshound since the &#8217;60&#8217;s, I have to say that TV news started falling down in the 80&#8217;s(at least that is when I first noticed) when anchors/reporters starting attributing &#8220;motive&#8221; and other unknowables  to those in the news.  The absolute nadir, IMO, was the Clinton/Lewinsky debacle &#8211; I stopped watching TV national news then (l998) and never looked back&#8212;not that print media is much better.  The Atlantic Monthly has an article in it&#8217;s current edition by James Fallows about all this (and other things) where he states:&#8221;&#8230;TV news changed again, starting in the l970s, through the efforts of, among others, Roone Arledge, of ABC, who made news profitable; Ted Turner, of CNN, who made the news cycle continuous; and Larry King and Gerald Rivera, who merged news and entertainment.&#8221;  The decline of public trust in media has been a long, slippery slope, and I really don&#8217;t see a quick fix.</p>
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