Comments on: Rhetorical framing… http://rhetorica.net/archives/1337.html Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:50:12 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: J.J. http://rhetorica.net/archives/1337.html/comment-page-1#comment-907 J.J. Fri, 04 Jul 2003 17:49:49 +0000 http://localhost/wpp3/?p=1337#comment-907 I just realized that Rumsfeld was probably addressing himself to those who think political cartoons are instruments of liberal thought. So at one stroke he creates a "cartoonish" opposition and demolishes it by stating it is simply wrong. I just realized that Rumsfeld was probably addressing himself to those who think political cartoons are instruments of liberal thought. So at one stroke he creates a “cartoonish” opposition and demolishes it by stating it is simply wrong.

]]> By: J.J. http://rhetorica.net/archives/1337.html/comment-page-1#comment-906 J.J. Fri, 04 Jul 2003 17:34:48 +0000 http://localhost/wpp3/?p=1337#comment-906 "There are so many cartoons where people, oppressed people are saying, `Is it Vietnam yet?'-- hoping it is and wondering if it is," Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said. NYT 7/2/03 Your point reminded me of how I felt when I read this. How many cartoons? Fifteen? Twenty? Interestingly, this was used as a quote demonstrating how defensive American officials had grown. Rumsfeld went on to say, "And it isn't. It's a different time. It's a different era. It's a different place." Is this seen as defensive because he was saying it wasn't true that "this is Vietnam," or because he was arguing with unspecified hordes of cartoons? Perhaps both. It certainly struck me as a rather fatuous way to state his case. “There are so many cartoons where people, oppressed people are saying, `Is it Vietnam yet?’– hoping it is and wondering if it is,” Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said. NYT 7/2/03

Your point reminded me of how I felt when I read this. How many cartoons? Fifteen? Twenty?

Interestingly, this was used as a quote demonstrating how defensive American officials had grown. Rumsfeld went on to say, “And it isn’t. It’s a different time. It’s a different era. It’s a different place.”

Is this seen as defensive because he was saying it wasn’t true that “this is Vietnam,” or because he was arguing with unspecified hordes of cartoons? Perhaps both. It certainly struck me as a rather fatuous way to state his case.

]]> By: OUTSIDE THE BELTWAY http://rhetorica.net/archives/1337.html/comment-page-1#comment-908 OUTSIDE THE BELTWAY Fri, 04 Jul 2003 03:57:37 +0000 http://localhost/wpp3/?p=1337#comment-908 <strong>BEATING TIM RUSSERT</strong> Slate's Jack Shafer has an excellent piece on Tim Russert, specifically his interview style which seems to derail many of his guests. Russert frustrates the... BEATING TIM RUSSERT

Slate’s Jack Shafer has an excellent piece on Tim Russert, specifically his interview style which seems to derail many of his guests. Russert frustrates the…

]]> By: Rebecca http://rhetorica.net/archives/1337.html/comment-page-1#comment-905 Rebecca Thu, 03 Jul 2003 11:37:48 +0000 http://localhost/wpp3/?p=1337#comment-905 You flatter me!! :-) You flatter me!! :-)

]]> By: acline http://rhetorica.net/archives/1337.html/comment-page-1#comment-904 acline Thu, 03 Jul 2003 11:20:31 +0000 http://localhost/wpp3/?p=1337#comment-904 Rebecca...keep that up and I'll ask you to contribute to Rhetorica. :-) Rebecca…keep that up and I’ll ask you to contribute to Rhetorica. :-)

]]> By: Rebecca http://rhetorica.net/archives/1337.html/comment-page-1#comment-903 Rebecca Thu, 03 Jul 2003 10:30:28 +0000 http://localhost/wpp3/?p=1337#comment-903 Speaking of Hannity & Colmes (which I've never seen) I used to be a fan of the Charlie Rose Show until his interview style and guest selection drove me away. But one of the many things that bugged me about CR was his framing questions in a NYTimes sort of way - you know, "some say", "it is said that", etc. I would always wonder who is "some" and who "said". It makes a world of difference who "they" are- but no one ever challenged him on who "they"are. Speaking of Hannity & Colmes (which I’ve never seen) I used to be a fan of the Charlie Rose Show until his interview style and guest selection drove me away. But one of the many things that bugged me about CR was his framing questions in a NYTimes sort of way – you know, “some say”, “it is said that”, etc. I would always wonder who is “some” and who “said”. It makes a world of difference who “they” are- but no one ever challenged him on who “they”are.

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